one was in defense of the ticket scalper, but there is a downside. with last-second purchases, how do you know your ticket is legitimate? >> watch closely as this man hand over $100 for two tickets. minutes later, he finds out some bad news. when he gets to the gate, he finds out his tickets are fake. he tried to run after the scalper, but he was nowhere in sight. >> john: at last year's super bowl, about 200 people were turned away because their tickets turned out to be phony. what do youe do about that? >> you have a thriving secondary legal market. you can go to stubhub and know there's a reputation here and they'll back up their product. if you don't get in, we're going to refund your money, we're going to figure out a way to get you in. that's one of the real downsides when you create a black market and people really want something. the black market will find a way to get it to people. if you're already doing illegal things, well, taking advantage of eager concert goers or sports fans is something that you're ripe for the target. >> john: politi